# Question: CHALDEAN VS. PYTHAGOREAN NUMEROLOGY

## Jaffra wants to know about the difference between Chaldean and Pythagorean numerology - a touchy subject among numerologists.

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Dear Hans,

Do you ever use Chaldean numerology? If so, under what circumstances?

Thanks,
Jaffra Austin

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Hi Jaffra,

This question can put me in hot water, like when you put three photographers in a room and ask them what the best camera is. You get three different answers and probably an argument.

There are quite a few differences between the Chaldean and the Pythagorean systems.

When I first became interested in numerology I read a number of books and studied both systems (as well as Palmistry, Handwriting Analysis, and a few other in-exact sciences). One of the best and oldest books on Chaldean numerology is by the famous mystic, palm reader, and numerologist Cheiro - dead now for almost 80 years - but you should be able to find a copy on Amazon.

The fact is, that the algorithms and the personalities of the numbers in Chaldean numerology are so different from the Pythagorean system, it might as well be considered as different as astrology and numerology.

For example, the Chaldean system is based on the numbers 1 through 8, not 1 though 9, although the 9 does play a role in certain situations. In Pythagorean numerology we pay more attention to the full name at birth than to the shorter name used in day-to-day social settings, the opposite is true for the Chaldean system. The numerical values of the letters are different, and the list goes on.

I don't believe any system is better than another, whether we are talking Pythagorean numerology or Chaldean numerology, or astrology, or palmistry, or any other method. They are all valid and the quality depends on the experience and the knowledge of the practitioner, not the system of his or her choice.

Having said that, I was drawn to Pythagorean numerology for a couple of reasons. I recognized the underlying "logic" of the Pythagorean system early on and was extremely attracted to that. I also realized that trying to do both, Chaldean and Pythagorean systems, would cause chaos and confusion, and certainly not help me to be clear and concise in my analyses.

What convinced me to focus on the Pythagorean method of numerology more than any other reason, is the simple fact that it was "alive," while the Chaldean system felt (okay, now I am really inviting trouble) "dead." This is highly subjective, of course, but it seemed to me that Pythagorean numerology had continued to evolve and was enriched and fine tuned over the ages, while the Chaldean method had stopped evolving in the days of Babylon.

In addition, there is a mystical undertone to Chaldean numerology that was more in tune with old and thoroughly dead forms of religion and cultures, than with today's modern human beings - again, I admit, that is a very subjective observation. Of course, that mystical tone is exactly what makes it attractive to Chaldean numerologists, and there are certainly a number of them who are as good at what they do as those who have chosen other methods.

In the end, it is purely a matter of personal preference. Mine just happens to be the Pythagorean system. So to answer your question, no, I haven't used Chaldean numerology since, oh, I don't know, some previous lifetime, when I was a numerologist in Babylon.

Hans Decoz

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